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4. Mar, 2017

Clearing-upTimes (CUT) contends that the beast that made this imprint was 12 years old!!



The article details follow with a quick dating in real time (Julian/Gregorian years).  After that an overview of the Mesozoic is given and the reasoning behind the assertion of a twelve-year old’s footprint will become evident from the Enc Brit. Article on the Mesozoic redated to orbital years.

What do we Know?

The following article is able to be re-dated.  See Barry Setterfield’s site  Or try to read ”Cosmology and the Zero Point Energy”.

The range is -3035 to -3007 for 251 Ma to 201 Ma approx.

The 230 Ma date assigned for Isochirotherium is-3023.344681.

One should note that 12 orbital years mentioned are not equivalent to 12 years from 2005 to 2017.  See ZPE considerations.  I am simply making a point.


 Updated: 10:03 +10:00, 25 April 2016

Scientists have claimed dinosaurs fled Europe between 225 and 65 million years ago after the original super continent broke up.  225 Ma=-3020.660267  65 Ma=-2933.31181.

Read more:

A Little Discussion and a bit more Information/Data

From; 13:30 24/02/2017

At the outset of the Mesozoic [-3035], all of Earth’s continents were joined together into the supercontinent of Pangea. By the close of the era [-2977; the death of Noah], Pangea had fragmented into multiple landmasses. The fragmentation began with continental rifting during the Late Triassic [-3012]. This separated Pangea into the continents of Laurasia and Gondwana. By the Middle Jurassic [-2993] these landmasses had begun further fragmentation. At that time much of Pangea lay between 60° N and 60° S, and at the Equator the widening Tethys Sea cut between Gondwana and Laurasia. When rifting had sufficiently progressed, oceanic spreading centres formed between the landmasses. During the Middle Jurassic [-2991], North America began pulling apart from Eurasia and Gondwana. By the Late Jurassic [-2980], Africa had started to split off from South America, and Australia and Antarctica had separated from India. Near the close of the Cretaceous [-2943], Madagascar separated from Africa, and South America drifted northwestward.

As the continents rifted and ruptured, thick sequences of marine sediments accumulated in large linear troughs along their margins. Ocean basin deposits of Jurassic age [-3007 to -2977] are found today in the circum-Pacific region, along the coasts of eastern North America and the Gulf of Mexico, and on the margins of Eurasia and Gondwana (that is, along the northern and southern boundaries of the Tethys Sea).

Major mountain building (orogeny) began on the western margins of both North and South America and between the separating fragments of Gondwana. For example, the northwesterly movement of North America resulted in a collision of the western edge of the North American continental plate with a complex of island arcs during the Late Jurassic [-2988 to -2977]. So-called exotic terranes, geologic fragments that differ markedly in stratigraphypaleomagnetism, and paleontology from adjoining continental crust, were accreted to the margin of the North American plate. As thrusting occurred in an eastward direction, huge granitic batholiths formed in what is now the Sierra Nevada range along the California-Nevada border. Other notable episodes of mountain building during the Mesozoic [?] include the Sevier and Laramide orogenies, which took place in western North America during Cretaceous time [-2977 to -2934 or 43 years]. These events created the Rocky Mountains.

Mesozoic rocks are widely distributed, appearing in various parts of the world. A large percentage of these rocks are sedimentary. At various times during the Mesozoic, shallow seas invaded continental interiors and then drained away. During Middle Triassic time [-3032 to -3027 or 5 years], a marine incursion—the Muschelkalk Sea—covered the continental interior of Europe. Seas again transgressed upon the continents between the Early and Late Jurassic [-2998 to -2986 or 12 years] and in the Early Cretaceous [-2977 to -2953 or 24 years], leaving extensive beds of sandstone, ironstone, clays, and limestone (see Solnhofen Limestone). A last major transgression of marine waters flooded large segments of all the continents later in the Cretaceous [-2937? specifically Radiometric dating indicates that the Morrison Formation is between 148 million and 155 million years old {-2983 to -2979 or 4 years}]. These sharp rises in sea level and resultant worldwide flooding are thought to have had two causes. The first was warm global temperatures, which prevented large volumes of water from being sequestered on land in the form of ice sheets. The second was related to accelerated seafloor spreading; the attendant enlargement of ocean ridges displaced enormous amounts of ocean water onto the landmasses. Marine transgression was so extensive that in North America, for example, a seaway spread all the way from the Arctic to the Gulf of Mexico in the Cretaceous Period. Widespread deposition of chalk, clay, black shales, and marl occurred. In parts of North America, lake and river sediments rich in dinosaur fossils were deposited alongside marine sediments. (See Morrison Formation.)


A substantial amount of igneous rock also formed during the Mesozoic. The orogenies of the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods involved volcanism and plutonic intrusion such as occurred during the emplacement of granites and andesites in the Andes of South America during the Late Jurassic [-2993]. Two of the largest volcanic events in Earth’s history occurred during the Mesozoic. The Central Atlantic Magmatic Province, a huge volume of basalt, was created at the end of the Triassic [-3008 to -3007 or 3 months and 26 days; from Wiki The CAMP volcanic eruptions occurred about 201 million years ago and split into four pulses lasting for over ~600,000 years] during the initial rifting of Pangea.


By Williamborg - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0,

 The surface area of this igneous province originally covered more than 7 million square km (about 3 million square miles), and its rocks can be found today from Brazil to France. Despite such a massive volume of basaltic material extruded, volcanic activity was probably short-lived, spanning only a few million years. At the end of the Cretaceous [ca. -2977 to -2934 i. e. -2938??], another igneous province, the flood basalts of the Deccan Traps, formed on what is now the Indian subcontinent. Some scientists have suggested that both of these large igneous events may have injected significant amounts of carbon dioxide and aerosols into the atmosphere, triggering a change in global climate. The timing of these volcanic events appears to overlap the Triassic-Jurassic [-3008/-3007] and Cretaceous-Tertiary, or Cretaceous-Paleogene [-2934], mass extinctions, and they may have played a role in them.


Mesozoic Life


The fauna and flora of the Mesozoic were distinctly different from those of the Paleozoic, the largest mass extinction in Earth history having occurred at the boundary of the two eras [-3035], when some 90 percent of all marine invertebrate species and 70 percent of terrestrial vertebrate genera disappeared. At the start of the Mesozoic, the remaining biota began a prolonged recovery of diversity and total population numbers, and ecosystems began to resemble those of modern days. Vertebrates, less severely affected by the extinction than invertebrates, diversified progressively throughout the Triassic [-3035 to -3007 or 28 years]. The Triassic terrestrial environment was dominated by the therapsids, sometimes referred to as “mammal-like reptiles,” and the thecodonts, ancestors of dinosaurs and crocodiles, both of which appeared during the Late Triassic [-3012*]. The first true mammals, which were small, shrewlike omnivores, also appeared in the Late Triassic [-3012*], as did the lizards, turtles, and flying pterosaurs. In the oceans, mollusks—including ammonitesbivalves, and gastropods—became a dominant group. Fishes, sharks, and marine reptiles such as plesiosaursnothosaurs, and ichthyosaurs also swam the Mesozoic seas.



Another major extinction event struck at the close of the Triassic [-3007], one that wiped out as much as 20 percent of marine families and many terrestrial vertebrates, including therapsids. The cause of this mass extinction is not yet known but may be related to climatic and oceanographic changes. In all, 35 percent of the existing animal groups suffered extinction.

In the oceans the ammonites and brachiopods recovered from the Late Triassic crisis, thriving in the warm continental seas. Ammonites rapidly became very common invertebrates in the marine realm and are now important index fossils for worldwide correlation of Jurassic rock strata. Many other animal forms, including mollusks (notably the bivalves), sharks, and bony fishes, flourished during the Jurassic. During the Jurassic and Cretaceous, the ecology of marine ecosystems began to change, as shown by a rapid increase in diversity of marine organisms. It is believed that increasing predation pressures caused many marine organisms to develop better defenses and burrow more deeply into the seafloor. In response, predators also evolved more-effective ways to catch their prey. These changes are so significant that they are called the “Mesozoic Marine Revolution.”


The dominant terrestrial vertebrates were dinosaurs, which exhibited great diversity during the Jurassic and Cretaceous [-3007 to -2934 or 73 years]. Birds are believed to have evolved from dinosaur ancestors during the Late Jurassic [-2983 – a bit miserable for the crow and dove of -3327/-3326 or the Flood]. Ancestors of living vertebrates, such as frogs, toads, and salamanders, appeared on land along with the two important modern mammal groups, the placentals and the marsupialsPlant life also exhibited a gradual change toward more-modern forms during the course of the Mesozoic. Whereas seed ferns had predominated in the Triassic [-3035 to -3007 or 28 years], forests of palmlike gymnosperms known as cycads and conifers proliferated under the tropical and temperate conditions that prevailed during the Jurassic [-3007 to -2977]. The first flowering plants, or angiosperms, had appeared by the Cretaceous. They radiated rapidly and supplanted many of the primitive plant groups to become the dominant form of vegetation by the end of the Mesozoic.


The Mesozoic closed [-2934] with an extinction event that devastated many forms of life. In the oceans all the ammonites, reef-building rudist bivalves, and marine reptiles died off, as did 90 percent of the coccolithophores (single-celled plantlike plankton) and foraminifera (single-celled animal-like plankton). On land the dinosaurs and flying reptiles became extinct. The Late Cretaceous extinctions have been variously attributed to such phenomena as global tectonics, draining of the continental seas, northward migration of the continents into different and much cooler climatic zones, intensified volcanic activity, and a catastrophic meteorite or asteroid impact. The Cretaceous extinction may very well have had multiple causes. As the landmasses were uplifted by plate tectonism and migrated poleward, the climate of the Late Cretaceous began to deteriorate. In fact, some of the extinctions were not sudden but rather spanned millions of years, suggesting that a gradual decline of some organisms had already begun before the end of the Cretaceous. However, strong evidence supports the contention that a large-scale impact played a significant role in the mass extinctions at the end of the Mesozoic, including the sudden disappearance of many groups (such as ammonite and microfossil species), the presence of geochemical and mineralogical signatures that most likely came from extraterrestrial sources, and the discovery of the Chicxulub crater in the Yucatán Peninsula. It is believed that an asteroid with a diameter of about 10 km (6 miles) hit the Earth and caused wildfires, acid rain, months of darkness (because of the large amount of ash injected into the atmosphere), and cold temperatures (caused by increased reflection of solar energy back into space by airborne particles). An intense warming may have followed, heat being trapped by atmospheric aerosols. Whatever the cause, this major mass extinction marks the end of the Mesozoic Era. The end of the dinosaurs (except birds) and many other forms of life allowed the development of modern biota in the Cenozoic Era.


*[-3012 is connected to the end of Nimrod’s rule which was -3016/-3015 by the 214 Ma = -3015 rise of fossils of Dinosaurs, mammals etc.  Early fossils would have to those of young animals – an hypothesis – at the 230 Ma mark or -3023 i. e. some 12 years old].


Nimrod ruled post-Babel (-3117 to -3115 CUT) till -3016/-3015 and set in train a chaotic world which produced a flash in the pan burst of rather odious theraspid/thecodont/dinosaurian radiation.  This was suppressed in a number of mass extinctions [one should see the hand of a Great Sustainer here] allowing us, as a humankind and differentiated zoology, to settle down. This was done, in a stable and constrained way, courtesy of two other matters i. e.  the confusion of tongues and a continental fragmentation [we should be able to see this Division in the name of the patriarch Peleg].  It allowed for the development of both dynastic life and agriculture - both on a grander scale.

15. Sep, 2016



The Haymond Formation as a Conjectured Diurnal Phenomenon for approx. 15,000 Iterations



The beds that make up the Ouachita and Haymond outcrops, esp. the Haymond beds, are said to be relatively dated to Bashkirian to Moscovian.  However, rhyolite dates give a potential 383 Ma date or Late Devonian radiometrically-speaking (detrital zircon).   Thus we have a rough numerical interval of 383-307 = 76 millions of years.  When converted to orbital time we have a period ca. 40 years.  Thus 14,600 diurnal cycles gives a basis for timing the depositions. Thus we violate the Law of Uniformitarianism in the interest of reconciling History and Geology.







What do we know?




The following two main quotes are given to show that post-Givetian rocks could be easily incorporated into all levels of beds from the base to the top layers.  Also from this Wikipedia quote




 “The other direction, Hercynian, for the direction of the Harz Mountains in Germany, saw a similar shift in meaning.  Today Hercynian is often used as a synonym for Variscan, but is somewhat less used than the latter.  In the USA it is only used for European orogenies; the contemporaneous and genetically linked mountain-building phases in the Appalachian Mountains have different names. 


The regional term Variscan underwent a further meaning shift since the 1960s.  Geologists generally began to use it to characterize late Paleozoic fold belts and orogenic phases having an age of approximately 380 to 280 Ma.”




we see that from 380 Ma starts a set of violent deposition events related to Marathon assemblages.




1.            Laurentian Sources for Detrital Zircon Grains in Turbidite and Deltaic Sandstones of the Pennsylvanian Haymond Formation, Marathon Assemblage, West Texas, U.S.A.




James D. Gleason, George E. Gehrels, William R. Dickinson, P. Jonathan Patchett, David A. Kring




DOI: 10.2110/jsr.2007.084   Published on November 2007,   First Published on November 15, 2007




Copyright © 2007, SEPM (Society for Sedimentary Geology)








U–Pb ages of individual detrital zircon grains from deltaic and turbidite sandstones of the lower to middle Pennsylvanian Haymond Formation (Marathon basin, west Texas) range from 320 Ma to 3 Ga, indicating a mixed provenance broadly similar to that of Ouachita Carboniferous turbidites and related fluvio-deltaic facies of Arkansas–Oklahoma. Differences with the Ouachita assemblage are attributed to the unique depositional setting of the Haymond Formation, which records final closure of a Hercynian-age remnant ocean basin at the western termination of the Ouachita–Marathon suture zone. Tectonic and sedimentary recycling along subduction zones separating Gondwanan (upper plate) and Laurentian (lower plate) blocks likely contributed to the Laurentia-dominated distribution of age provinces observed in the zircon population. Detrital-zircon age spectra are nearly identical for both facies of the Haymond Formation, reinforcing the hypothesis that subaerial fan or braid delta sandstones, and foredelta submarine-ramp turbidites, were part of an integrated depositional system fed by the same sources.












 DENISON, Rodger E.1, HOUSH, Todd B.2, and MCDOWELL, Fred W.2, (1) Geosciences, Univ of Texas at Dallas, Richardson, TX 75083,, (2) Geological Sciences, The Univ of Texas at Austin, Austin, TX 78712




During the middle Pennsylvanian a thick pile of deepwater flysch beds were deposited in the Marathon depositional basin. Conspicuous in this sequence are the boulder beds in the Haymond Formation deposited as submarine flows. The diverse boulders include a small percentage of crystalline cobbles. The origin of these crystalline boulders remains unknown but is clearly from the unroofing of an outboard continental block to the southeast during the closing of the Marathon depositional basin.








The petrography of the crystalline cobbles differs from known basement rocks in southern Laurentia. The cobbles are mostly finer grained silicic igneous and meta-igneous rocks, those most likely to travel well. Rhyolite, meta-rhyolite and two mica granitic rocks are most common. A limited number of Rb/Sr and K/Ar determinations were published from these cobbles in the 1960s. The mica ages indicated an earlier Devonian metamorphism. The whole rock Rb/Sr results yielded an age in the same range with a relatively high initial ratio, suggesting a sedimentary protolith. Three new K/Ar ages from muscovites from an expanded range of rock types gave ages between 381 and 383 Ma, within the range of previous earlier Devonian determinations. In this study we have analysed individual zircons separated from two cobbles, a granodiorite-gneiss and an un-metamorphosed rhyolite, by laser ablation icp-ms. The U-Pb zircon data are complex due to significant discordance in the granodioritic gneiss and inheritance in the un-metamorphosed rhyolite. The data from the gneiss yielded formed a poorly constrained chord with intercept ages of 1436 +/- 160 and 330 +/- 72 Ma. We interpret the upper intercept to be the age of the protolith while the lower intercept may record a time of metamorphism. The weighted mean of the most concordant zircons from the rhyolite cobble have a 206Pb/238U age of 371 +/- 12 Ma, which we consider to be the best estimate of the age of the rhyolite. The rhyolite contains a significant component of inherited zircon with mid- and early Proterozoic ages. The dated-cobble[s] reflects a source-area having a Proterozoic history that was strongly overprinted by metamorphism during the Devonian. No basement exposures having these two age components have are known from the region.








The nature of the creation of Pangaea is collisional and sutures are opening and basins closing in the context of much deposition.  The possibility of there being a 40-year period of daily rain-generated wash-off and inflows of marine-sourced water to the deposition basins powered by a daily release of significant energy through the grinding suture-segments releasing slightly.  We can imagine this because the entire Variscan tectonics only took some 52.6105326 years.  Also we might limit our iterations to 14,600 for convenience.  This figure is determined by using Barry Setterfield’s formula (‘Cosmology and the Zero Point Energy’, Natural Philosophy Alliance Monograph Series, No1, 2013 – see below) and my parametric data to convert radiometric or numerical dates to orbital dates for 280/380 Ma and subtracting.



The relevant conversions are -3050.04 and -3102.65 or -3050.04 B. C. etc.


Now we need to focus on context.  Is it possible that such violent perturbations of the land surface could have taken place in this 53-year interval?  The period of 430 years is generally assigned in Clearing-Up Times (CUT) CHRONOLOGY as being not yet stabilised following the Deluge of -3327 to -3326.  This means that until -2897 the Earth still rocked and rolled, on occasion, in a series of unbelievable “aftershocks” or “settling movements” for the want of a more technical term.  The final division of the land-masses occurred unsurprisingly at the time of Peleg (see elsewhere for a treatment on this topic).  He was in his 80th year in -2818 or thereabouts.


We know from the Geology, such as it is, of the Variscan that a lot of erosion took place and if we are edified then the evidence in the Haymond, Ouachita beds should say to us that a great instability reigned for a lot of the 430 years.  Indeed Noah would have been a witness to these iterations as he died in -2977 or 145 Ma approx. 


There is, in the above argument, therefore good credence to be given to the thought that uniformitarian explanations of millions of orbital years for the formation of Haymond are beyond the pale.




Perhaps the most fitting conclusion is that the Haymond beds turned to stone in rather short order and that little burrowing critters were as undaunted as a mosquito, even when one is armed and ready to dispatch the next possible target, in re-establishing a presence in the regular mud deposits.


NB: Whether the true dating of the beds is exactly 383 Ma to 307 Ma or somewhat offset is only slightly relevant to the thrust of the article.


13. Aug, 2016

An Amusing little discourse on Radiometric Stuff


It occurs to CUT that a few more examples of the Geology / History confluence is needed to establish the principle in the minds of those who are following CUT’s chronology.



Pre-Flood biblical Patriarch’s reigns and length of life, courtesy of Julius Sextus Africanus and CUT, will help to cement the idea.  Firstly we should acknowledge the fact that CUT’s view of Geologic time – reduced to orbital (around the Sun) time – is based on the work of Barry Setterfield in his Cosmology and the Zero Point Energy monograph.  We should further acknowledge Wal Thornhill of Electric Universe researchers group and  Until Wal ‘gave me permission’ I would not have started on this journey into 7,500 year past history of everything.  Further the three biggies are Alan Dean, at the time a ministerial assistant in the Ryde congregation of the Worldwide Church of God, Jim Bellamy – the boss of the Jim and Florence team residing in Beresfield in the Hunter Valley of NSW and finally the man whose mantle, in one sense, I have taken up – Dr Herman L. Hoeh sometime Dean of Faculty of Ambassador College, Pasadena, California, USA.

Next, we need to understand that the ‘permission’ I have to jettison Codex Alexandrinus, Masoretic text and other resources is from my wife - a qualified archivist.  You guess this one.

Ok, let’s cut to the chase.  Africanus, in my twenty-year study of Egyptian and subsequent Mesopotamian chronology, has proved the most consistently reliable.  I acknowledge a very superior intellect in JSA.  A man of integrity and capability is how I would describe what I have seen of him through his extant and epitomised work.  Africanus in his researches comes at some point to the conclusion that what he has before him is in error by 20 years which he adds in to the grand total of time between Deluge and the expulsion or rather the creation OF MAN, animals, etc.  So we have from Waddell’s Manetho (Loeb Series) 1184 years + 20 years = 1204 years between -4531 and -3327.

The Bible gives us names; Adam, Seth, Enosh, Kenan, Mahaleel, Jared, Enoch, Methusaleh, Lamech, Noah.  You can yourself go through nearly endless variation on spelling, pronunciation and relationships but let’s all agree this as a working list.  There is, of course, no way that these names and traditional pre-Flood intervals can be reconciled.  So I will now introduce you to CUT’s creative endeavours.  I hope your attempts to do the same yield even better fruit.

-4531     Adam’s creation[1] = 4,105,104,431years ago                 A-lulim, Eridu Sumer kings  Hadean Eon

-4501 Expulsion date = 3,997,562,578 years ago                                                                          EoArchaen Era

-4401    Seth = 3,654,590,488 years ago                                                                                           PalaeoArchean

-4387     Alalgar, Eridu      144         15

-4297    Enosh = 3,316,371,045 years ago                                                                                        PalaeoArchean                

-4208    Kenan[2] = ca. 3,038,600,869 years ago[3]                                                                               MesoArchean

-4207     En-men-lu-Anna, Bad-tibira        324

-4139    Mahaleel = 2,835,394,333 years ago                                                                                  Just NeoArchean

Hephaestus--->                168         -4130[4]

-4082     Hephaestus

-4040    Jared = 2,551,979,892 years ago                                                                                          Siderian Period?

-3979    Enoch = 2,383,613,304 years ago                                                                                        mid-Siderian

-3915/-3914 = GCY[5] 1000

-3915    Methusaleh = 2,211,792,071 years ago                                                                            Rhyacian

-3849    Lamech = 2,039,526,195 years ago                                                                                     Orosirian

-3761     Molad of Tishri benchmark and Noah = 1,817,408,644 years ago                         Statherian

The first point to note IS THAT Noah did not live 600 years before the Deluge.  Most reading this will say ‘I don’t agree’ – so be it.

Translation of Enoch, -3615 = 1,313,469,984 years ago; Enoch dies (conjectured as a few years before Noah starts preaching ie -3449) =  1,090,000,000 years ago                        Ectasian to Stenian[6]

Noah according to CUT DID live 350 years after the Flood. Confusing huh?  Or 145,000,000 years ago.

                                                                                                                                                Tithonian/Berriasian Age

We should now link to Stratigraphy.  From GSA Geologic Time Scale we can now give Periods, Epochs and Ages and they are set out in Blue above.



Apart from the Patriarchs we have the interesting tidbit from McCarthy and Rubidge ‘the Permian … mother of extinctions’ took place over a period of 100,000 years radiometrically-speaking. CUT understands there is more to the story but for edification purposes CUT has done some calculations and presents them as follows;

Million Years Ago                                                                                                        Orbital Equivalents

251,100,000                  0.051149551                 137.6434425                 -3034.643443              

 251,000,000                0.051129694                 137.5900058                 -3034.590006              

                                                                                                                                                -------------------                    Days

                                                                                                                                                0.053436754                 19.50441508 = 100,000 years (radiometric)

We might conclude from the calculations above that the division of the Gondwana, Laurasia et al landmasses and movement to current locations may, in CUT terms, have taken place over a few decades but the initial extinction took place over 19 days!!  An interesting item Permian - Triassic Extinction Event gives a real overview of the evidence available.  What, in CUT’s opinion is conveyed is a world stressing and straining with pyroclastic flows, rapid release of acids from rock fracturing, possible lightning – even arc blasts – possibly a bolide, oxygen/carbon dioxide variation.  For example two things from CUT

 See CUT Radiometric/Orbial Date Conversion for -3034 to -2934 Post above

Chelyabinsk and Araguainha maybe not as depicted as asteroid strikes but arc blast or, as suggested by inference in the Wikipedia item linked above, a strained landscape that has under tremendous pressure fissured to allow the pyroclastic flows of the Siberian Traps. 

So what can we conclude?

Since the process of separation took place over a period of, at least 100 years, then the two extinctions of note P-T and K-T are integral to the geologic underlying processes.  We might say by way of clarification, ca. 252 Ma to 66.5 Ma covers the period -3034 to -2934.  Of this interval 1 yr and 200 days at the start represent Araguainha, 27/28 days later the 116-day long MEI starts and of the Siberian Traps the Noril’sk Lower, Tunguska- Middle Nidymsky, Noril’sk Upper and also Chelyabinsk flows take the next 5 yrs and 49 days.  The P-T in the literature is for 200,000, 100,000 or 20,000 years (radiometric) so 38 days, 19 days or 4 days cover the burials whether in marine, shallow estuarine or lacustrine contexts.  Obviously we would expect much activity till matters finally settle in the days of Peleg, which CUT gives as -2895 to -2657, and from this terminus we might conclude that the -2934 Deccan Traps, which formed some 2 yrs after the Himalaya Mtns formed and during the 52-yr (-2974 to -2922) birthing of the Andes is but a small highlight in the ‘division’ implicit in the meaning of the name PELEG.  By his time the LGM had come and gone and essentially the world was substantively spread all over the globe.


[1]cf. Africanus’ 1204 years

[2]Some commentary:  at this point the Mesopotamian records are no longer CERTAINLY pre-Flood;  it appears from the CUT-described benchmark years from which stela dates are drifted, which include -4207, that Enosh, on bringing forth and weaning an heir apparent, started a new centre of government elsewhere than “Eridu”.

[3]From -4130 to -4022 according to McCarthy and Rubidge cratons were forming - JIT to shift from Eridu and Tubal-Cain’s rule elsewhere??

[4]See 3 above

[5]General Cosmic Year NB the geology of -4915 is spectacular

[6]It appears that the Ward-Oldham Geological province in Australia may be the sandy desert referred to in UFO-mania video production entitled “The Book of Giants found amid the Dead Sea Scrolls& the Destructionof the Nephilim”.  Today it is home to the Great sandy Desert and is of Calymmian to Stenian Age.

6. Aug, 2016

An Attempt to Justify -3327/-3326 as a Deluge Date with Footnotes

From Sacred Texts Christianity
{From the Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London, Vol. XI, Part 1, 1943, pp. 52-74. The transcriptions of the original texts have been omitted in this version.} p. 52

an endnote says

3 Presumably the number of years supposed to have passed from the time of Enoch to the beginning of the reign of Vi§tasp. The date for Enoch was probably calculated with the help of the Jewish world-era, or the mundane era of Alexandria (beginning 5493 B.C.), or by counting backwards from the Deluge. Taking 3237 B.C. (but 3251 B.C. according to the Coptic chronology) as the date of the Deluge (see S. H. Taqizadeb, BSOS., X, 122, under c), and adding 669 ( = from Enoch's death to the Deluge according to the Hebrew Genesis), and subtracting the number in our fragment, 3,28[8 ?], from 3,237 + 669 = 3,906, the resulting date, 618 B.C., agrees perfectly with the traditional Zoroastrian date for the beginning of Vi§tasp's reign (258 + 30 years before Alexander's conquest of Persia, 330 B.C.; cf. Taqizadeh, ibid., 127 sq.). From this one may infer that the famous date for Zoroaster: "258 years before Alexander" was known to Mani (Nyberg, Rel. Alt. Iran, 32 sqq., thinks it was invented towards the beginning of the fifth century).

My Comment

If the start of BC is -3 then -5493 is really, in modern terms, - 5496 BC. Subtracting 93 (Omission Principle — see Barry Setterfield at then Anno Mundi is -5589 or 5589 BC.
Adding a number to get to the Deluge is dodgy because we have a range of numbers to choose from: see Whiston's Josephus; 2262 (= 2242 from LXX plus Africanus' 20), 2256, 1656, 1556, 1550, etc. Taking 2262 we get -33271 — see CUT. When Enoch ruled is from -3914 so adding 328x gets us to -628 if x=6. If 258 yrs, as stated, is an invention then we are free to examine a little more. Let us state that Vi§tasp's reign commenced 268 yrs + 30 years before Alexander's conquest of Persia in -330 then unfortunately for Zoroastrian dating we have a -628 start for our benchmark king. This satisfies CUT's chronological schema. Move over Zoroaster2.

NB from the above it is the promiscuous mixing of Coptic and non-Coptic sources which generates chronologists' visits to the dating hell of "14 missing years".

1 Cut needs to correct a Flood date of 829.13 for Day 1. It should be 829,044,373 yrs ago or 829.04. Forty days later is 828,815,463 yrs ago or 228, 910 radiometric years later.
From Enc. Brit., 11th Ed., Vol 28 Handy Edition, p.1041 we have "We are quite ignorant as to the date of Zoroaster; King Vistaspa does not seem to have any place in historical chronology, and the Gathas gives no hint on the subject. ... According to the Arda Viraf, I, 2, Zoroaster taught, in round numbers some 300 years before the invasion of Alexander."
This then puts us with Zoroaster looking for a patron to advance the spread of his teaching ca. -
332 — 300 = -632 in round numbers. Given that our options are varied we should look at the other end of the space and take -329 -300 = -629. If we go with the first option we have an x=3, and -632 — -3283 = -3915 Enoch's start of rule in CUT. If we go with the second option we have x=6 and -629 — -3286 = -3915. If our rounding is ± 2 then x goes down to 1 or up to 8 to maintain CUT's contention.
The closer to the start of King Visaspa's reign the better since Zoroaster would have been seeking a sponsor very early on. Taking -618 for the King we would find that Zoroaster spent some possibly 10 years searching a sponsor and this is a bit unrealistic for such a likely lad. As well, the rounding down of the 300 years by 14 years is a bit of a stretch.
A final point to make is that the next year-pair is -2902/-2901. The 'little' Zoroaster and King deviations pale into insignificance with the -2902 - -3327 = 425-yr gap. Remember that Henk Jens with the reversal of his use of E.W. Bullinger only gives certain limited permissable date pairs throughout ancient history.

Further Research Needed on the following;
[1,313,469,984 years ago and later; we are looking for a desert area flown over by a giant to visit Enoch and ask a question]